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		<title>By: Frank Prendergast</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1194</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Prendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, excellent. I haven&#039;t figured out if I can make that yet. That&#039;s certainly a conversation I&#039;d love to take part in though. Thanks Bernie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, excellent. I haven&#8217;t figured out if I can make that yet. That&#8217;s certainly a conversation I&#8217;d love to take part in though. Thanks Bernie.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Goldbach</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1192</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie Goldbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since more than 20% of those attending Podcamp Ireland don&#039;t blog, we are featuring this blog post as part of a casual conversation session at Podcamp Ireland in Kilkenny on Saturday 27 September 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since more than 20% of those attending Podcamp Ireland don&#8217;t blog, we are featuring this blog post as part of a casual conversation session at Podcamp Ireland in Kilkenny on Saturday 27 September 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Prendergast</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1178</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Prendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Damien, I&#039;m not really talking about censorship, I&#039;m talking about engendering a less aggressive online space, and I guess I&#039;m talking about how eminent bloggers can lead by example.

Brendan - yes, as you said somewhere intent and motives are key to a lot of the discussions that are ongoing. 

Different blogs have different focusses, from the personal to the commercial, and there&#039;s nothing wrong with either end of the spectrum - the motives behind self marketing and the intent behind certain methods however can be crucial in deciding whether someone deserves a dressing down. 

Getting to the bottom of such intent, motives and indeed circumstances can often only be done with some level of direct communication.  

Thanks for kicking this off. It&#039;s all good stuff! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Damien, I&#8217;m not really talking about censorship, I&#8217;m talking about engendering a less aggressive online space, and I guess I&#8217;m talking about how eminent bloggers can lead by example.</p>
<p>Brendan &#8211; yes, as you said somewhere intent and motives are key to a lot of the discussions that are ongoing. </p>
<p>Different blogs have different focusses, from the personal to the commercial, and there&#8217;s nothing wrong with either end of the spectrum &#8211; the motives behind self marketing and the intent behind certain methods however can be crucial in deciding whether someone deserves a dressing down. </p>
<p>Getting to the bottom of such intent, motives and indeed circumstances can often only be done with some level of direct communication.  </p>
<p>Thanks for kicking this off. It&#8217;s all good stuff! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for picking up the discussion Frank. The title of your post draws attention to the question of motivation. Are bloggers by and large attempting to find new ways to communicate in order to foster a vibrant online community or are they merely using the medium to self-publish or have their say? The latter is more self-interested and ultimately short term as the community simply won&#039;t grow if people don&#039;t find it a welcoming place. The former takes a longer term view of what we&#039;re at here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for picking up the discussion Frank. The title of your post draws attention to the question of motivation. Are bloggers by and large attempting to find new ways to communicate in order to foster a vibrant online community or are they merely using the medium to self-publish or have their say? The latter is more self-interested and ultimately short term as the community simply won&#8217;t grow if people don&#8217;t find it a welcoming place. The former takes a longer term view of what we&#8217;re at here.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1172</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, surely the point is the stabbing should not happen at all. There&#039;s no written rule anywhere in society to say don&#039;t stab people. There&#039;s laws to deal with the outcomes of stabbings and punishments to right the social upheaval but it shouldn&#039;t happen at all.

I also think you&#039;ll find that the media and the locals have the same reaction to such an event as the blogging locals when they&#039;ve been wronged. People shouldn&#039;t be censored from ranting and reacting when they&#039;re wronged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, surely the point is the stabbing should not happen at all. There&#8217;s no written rule anywhere in society to say don&#8217;t stab people. There&#8217;s laws to deal with the outcomes of stabbings and punishments to right the social upheaval but it shouldn&#8217;t happen at all.</p>
<p>I also think you&#8217;ll find that the media and the locals have the same reaction to such an event as the blogging locals when they&#8217;ve been wronged. People shouldn&#8217;t be censored from ranting and reacting when they&#8217;re wronged.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Prendergast</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Prendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps - court of law vs lynch mob was me having fun with the stabbing metaphor, nothing more! I didn&#039;t mean the Gardai should be contacted when someone puts advertising on their personal blog :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps &#8211; court of law vs lynch mob was me having fun with the stabbing metaphor, nothing more! I didn&#8217;t mean the Gardai should be contacted when someone puts advertising on their personal blog :P</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Prendergast</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1165</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Prendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all, manners have everything to do with it. 

As I was just saying on Twitter, I think there is a culture developing where people rush to the keyboard to write a vitriolic rant before they stop and communicate with who is, in their eyes, the offender. 

Partly I think this culture is to do with the pressure to generate content and the &#039;cool&#039; factor perceived with &#039;breaking a story&#039;. 

In my opinion a lot of these dressing downs are self inflating, and not at all intended for the greater good. 

&#039;Ooh, I just broke a story about such and such spamming and now everyone is blogging about it...&#039;

I&#039;m not painting everyone with the same brush here mind - part of the problem can be that eminent bloggers who mean well can be emulated by newer bloggers with less of an understanding which also causes problems. 

Negativity is an easy route when it comes to blogging, and it gets attention. 

Extreme opinions also get attention, and reactions. 

Manners don&#039;t get you many headlines. But they are sadly lacking in some corners of the blogosphere and social spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all, manners have everything to do with it. </p>
<p>As I was just saying on Twitter, I think there is a culture developing where people rush to the keyboard to write a vitriolic rant before they stop and communicate with who is, in their eyes, the offender. </p>
<p>Partly I think this culture is to do with the pressure to generate content and the &#8216;cool&#8217; factor perceived with &#8216;breaking a story&#8217;. </p>
<p>In my opinion a lot of these dressing downs are self inflating, and not at all intended for the greater good. </p>
<p>&#8216;Ooh, I just broke a story about such and such spamming and now everyone is blogging about it&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not painting everyone with the same brush here mind &#8211; part of the problem can be that eminent bloggers who mean well can be emulated by newer bloggers with less of an understanding which also causes problems. </p>
<p>Negativity is an easy route when it comes to blogging, and it gets attention. </p>
<p>Extreme opinions also get attention, and reactions. </p>
<p>Manners don&#8217;t get you many headlines. But they are sadly lacking in some corners of the blogosphere and social spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Galvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Galvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither Lynch Mobs or Courts are right in my opinion. 

However, a good mannered approach to first-time offenders would in my opinion, lead to further contributions from the newbie. This has to be a good thing.

Am I a gobshite to think manners (can) come into this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither Lynch Mobs or Courts are right in my opinion. </p>
<p>However, a good mannered approach to first-time offenders would in my opinion, lead to further contributions from the newbie. This has to be a good thing.</p>
<p>Am I a gobshite to think manners (can) come into this?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Prendergast</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Prendergast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback guys, I think there&#039;s a lot more to discuss and thrash out on this one. 

Damien, you make some very good points, though I would be willing to argue with your final point...

To have some fun with your stabbing metaphor, to me the correct approach is to contact the gardai and go through a court of law (ie the proper channels) rather than whip a lynch mob into a frenzy :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback guys, I think there&#8217;s a lot more to discuss and thrash out on this one. </p>
<p>Damien, you make some very good points, though I would be willing to argue with your final point&#8230;</p>
<p>To have some fun with your stabbing metaphor, to me the correct approach is to contact the gardai and go through a court of law (ie the proper channels) rather than whip a lynch mob into a frenzy :D</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley</title>
		<link>http://websitedesigncork.com/blog/social-media/communication-before-publication-encourage-dont-demolish/comment-page-1#comment-1160</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure if people bit their tongues more and allowed themselves to be violated in various ways by companies then it would allow more companies to go into this space, which will result in more consultants making money too of course.

This space is different though and as you said the rules haven&#039;t been formulated. Thank god. It allows more freedom and creativity. Companies seem to want to hammer this space into something which it isn&#039;t and if they get their way it will just be another bland and stale &quot;market&quot;. 

To be clear though, this is not their space and those in the space don&#039;t own it either.  It&#039;s a bit like demanding that rugby games be more civil because someone that just joined the game is a little frail. 

Who defines what a misdemeanour is and why should someone affected by it have to ask the person that committed it to explain their reasoning? &quot;Before I complain, can I ask why you stabbed me in the face?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure if people bit their tongues more and allowed themselves to be violated in various ways by companies then it would allow more companies to go into this space, which will result in more consultants making money too of course.</p>
<p>This space is different though and as you said the rules haven&#8217;t been formulated. Thank god. It allows more freedom and creativity. Companies seem to want to hammer this space into something which it isn&#8217;t and if they get their way it will just be another bland and stale &#8220;market&#8221;. </p>
<p>To be clear though, this is not their space and those in the space don&#8217;t own it either.  It&#8217;s a bit like demanding that rugby games be more civil because someone that just joined the game is a little frail. </p>
<p>Who defines what a misdemeanour is and why should someone affected by it have to ask the person that committed it to explain their reasoning? &#8220;Before I complain, can I ask why you stabbed me in the face?&#8221;</p>
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